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what is a man?

November 19 2012

have we moved on from expecting men to fulfil the protector role?Is this still an important part of the male psyche?Has the shift in gender roles and definitions confused or liberated us from what are now possibly outdated expections that men will act in a particular way?Do men always need to or even want to,always take the lead in and out of the bedroom?

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Here's a fun little bit of word play I like to do. Only a tiny fraction of the words are swapped over or omitted (with thanks/apologies to sensualtimestoo):for me....a woman is someone, on whom you can count on...she's true to her words...she has respect...she is reliable...someone, who awakens the feelings of respect and admiration in me...i admit, that i have found, the perfect definition, of a woman, in my wife..(cheesy i know...)but she is the first partner, i have ever had...who makes me feel, like i have a WOMAN, by my side...she takes care of stuff, that needs to be taken care of...without demanding attention or acknowledgment ...she just does it...she is my best friend...i can tell her my darkest secrets...desires...feelings...she thinks, i am just as mesmerizing, in the morning...with messy hair, un-brushed teeth,..as i am all dressed up in her favourite suit...filled with dirty desires.....she makes me feel like a MAN, i guess....she is gentle and sensitive...but by no means a push-over....and in her arms...i feel like the sexiest, most desirable, most beautiful man, on the face of the Earth....as for the question.."have we moved on"...?i hope not...i love a woman, who still acts like one...not the helpless bull***t...just someone, who has respect...honour...some old fashioned values...who can make (not expect) a man, to be a MAN....because he feels, she has a WOMAN by her side...***She sounds absolutely fucken aces! Sign me up! There are feelings of protection and submission that can come the physical differences between men and women, but if you look at all that's written above, so much of it is just bullshit that doesn't apply to a MAN, but is desirable in any PERSON, regardless of sex, sexuality or gender.

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Being a man is about being a decent person. There is to much focus on criteria and image as if relationships were like a business transaction. There should be less ticking of boxes and more (for both sexes) sitting back and admiring someone overtime.   If people are criteria based and go with a judgemental system, why not apply some common sense to it.....by this i mean most men have all or enough of male qualities as its natural in the genes. So instead of doing the long unemotional terrible what does he have check box....why not look at what he doesn't have whatever that may be for each woman. You may find you like someone more than you think and it isn't as harsh, judgemental or transaction like.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    A REAL man is definately still the protector/provider, he's honorable, honest, loyal. He also knows that treating a lady well is key to his survival, behind every great man is a great woman. A real man NEVER, EVER EVER lays his hands violently on a woman unless they are indulging in their sexual desires. A man also knows how to please his partner sexuallyand emotionally............................. Sadly real men who actually give a about their families are in seemingly short supply, and the decent men have to wade their way through crazy confused, damaged women in order to find a decent partner. Sorry for rambling. That's just my opinion

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Freya...you know how to get a guy thinking..   Man is the other half of a Wo...man   Some are great cricketers like Brad...man   some are like ar bad curry..they are very very Bad...man   some are just a good Fuck..man

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Quoting 'neptune_drift' Here's a fun little bit of word play I like to do. Only a tiny fraction of the words are swapped over or omitted (with thanks/apologies to sensualtimestoo):for me....a woman is someone, on whom you can count on...she's true to her words...she has respect...she is reliable...someone, who awakens the feelings of respect and admiration in me...i admit, that i have found, the perfect definition, of a woman, in my wife..(cheesy i know...)but she is the first partner, i have ever had...who makes me feel, like i have a WOMAN, by my side...she takes care of stuff, that needs to be taken care of...without demanding attention or acknowledgment ...she just does it...she is my best friend...i can tell her my darkest secrets...desires...feelings...she thinks, i am just as mesmerizing, in the morning...with messy hair, un-brushed teeth,..as i am all dressed up in her favourite suit...filled with dirty desires.....she makes me feel like a MAN, i guess....she is gentle and sensitive...but by no means a push-over....and in her arms...i feel like the sexiest, most desirable, most beautiful man, on the face of the Earth....as for the question.."have we moved on"...?i hope not...i love a woman, who still acts like one...not the helpless bull***t...just someone, who has respect...honour...some old fashioned values...who can make (not expect) a man, to be a MAN....because he feels, she has a WOMAN by her side...***She sounds absolutely fucken aces! Sign me up! There are feelings of protection and submission that can come the physical differences between men and women, but if you look at all that's written above, so much of it is just bullshit that doesn't apply to a MAN, but is desirable in any PERSON, regardless of sex, sexuality or gender. i thought your play with words were very interesting...i am flattered, that you have found me worthy of quoting...as for the "so much bullshit" part...well...my little heart is aching, that you think, my heartfelt expression, of my own feelings, is bull***t...just kidding...i don't really give a hoot, what you think...you are entitled, to your own opinion...but a little respect in your choice of words, goes a long way...just sayin'...

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Quoting 'sensualtimestoo' as for the "so much bullshit" part... well...my little heart is aching, that you think, my heartfelt expression, of my own feelings, is bull***t... just kidding...i don't really give a hoot, what you think... you are entitled, to your own opinion... but a little respect in your choice of words, goes a long way... just sayin'... I realised after I'd posted it that it read that way, which wasn't what I intended!   Apologies for the sloppy offense (not) caused!     I meant the whole gender differences in general and all the industries that have sprung up around gender insecurities are bullshit (pink Bic pen for women, anyone?)   I didn't mean to imply that about what you'd written specifically - it was actually really lovely, and I wasn't kidding when I wrote I want that! I just like to crusade against this idea of what a 'real' man is that society forces down our throats from birth - it's insidious and unfortunate and cloaked in this ideologically constructed idea of 'nature', even though it's so systemically and institutionally enshrined - particularly when so much of what we value as 'manly' doesn't matter what your chromosonal composition is.   No prizes for guessing what much of my undergrad was spent studying!

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Quoting 'Mischeviouslad' You may not verbalise it..... you may not even be aware of it....but from a subconscious base, you need it. Human Evolution has left its indelible mark that way for a reason. Mrs Sensualtimestoo has summed up the complex psychology involved within my simplified explanation, with her first sentence. To paraphrase her.....if it ever hits the fan.... she needs to know, to feel, to trust..... that he will be there. DG My sister knows, she feels, she trusts that if shit hits the fan that I'll be there. I mean, the family unit isn't a biological development, right? Does this mean that, thanks to evolution's indelible mark, I've accidentally flicked she switch and now she... she wants to jump my bones?   Oh God. Christmas is going to be awkward!

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    apologies accepted!it takes a MAN, to say "it was my bad"...(pun intended)i do see, what you are saying...but i guess, when i considered the OP's question...i looked at it, from the only angle, i know...as a woman, thinking about men...you are right, lots of those qualities, are honourable, in both sexes...they are valuable qualities, in people, in general...if i was a man...imagining, what a woman, of my taste, would be...perhaps i would come up, with similar thoughts...i never had to consider it, from that angle...but, to make my opinion, more gender specific...-a man is someone, who can protect me...(physically as well as financially)-a man is someone, who can make want to beg, for his cock inside me-a man is someone, who can keep it up for me, for 4-5 hours, if i need ithmmm...sorry, couldn't think of anything more, right now

  • Paradisepair

    Paradisepair

    13 years ago

    In the words of Carole King MrPP makes me feel like a natural woman. And he is my protector, as I am his. We but share the helm in this relationship.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    well someone who fights for his wrights, his responsibilys, his love ones, his beliefs , even if his beliefs are old school . i man isnt someone that does thing behind peopls backs for the purpose of standing up for your self like druging a person spreading nasty remours for intentio of deformation in defameing or , frameing just a few . my name is Darryl ANDREW COPP AND I COULDNT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT LIES AND PEOPLES ATTEMPT OF DEFAME ME OR ANYONE I CARE ABOUT , AS I NO THE TRUTH AND I MAN I NO I AM , SPELLING DOESNT MAKE AND IF IT DID WELL ID BE WAY OFF ....REGARDS GREAT TOPIC ...

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Men and woman are different. We may share many of the same characteristics, but they're frequently expressed in different ways. Both may nurture, but differently. Both may show strength, but differently. Attraction is the energy of opposites, masculine and feminine polarity. It's subtle but powerful and it's there whether you recognise it for what it is, or not. Words that describe characteristics are just that - words - and I agree they are interchangeable for the sexes. However, I don't agree that what makes a man a man is the same as what makes a woman a woman. In the same way that dominance needs submission, masculine needs feminine and vice versa. I've been exploring masculine and feminine energy, polarity and dynamics for many years and I promise you, when a man acts like a woman he's deeply unattractive to me, but when he acts like a man, hubba hubba!!

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Quoting 'brave__heart'Men and woman are different. We may share many of the same characteristics, but they're frequently expressed in different ways. Both may nurture, but differently. Both may show strength, but differently. Attraction is the energy of opposites, masculine and feminine polarity. It's subtle but powerful and it's there whether you recognise it for what it is, or not. Words that describe characteristics are just that - words - and I agree they are interchangeable for the sexes. However, I don't agree that what makes a man a man is the same as what makes a woman a woman. In the same way that dominance needs submission, masculine needs feminine and vice versa. I've been exploring masculine and feminine energy, polarity and dynamics for many years and I promise you, when a man acts like a woman he's deeply unattractive to me, but when he acts like a man, hubba hubba!! I am not saying that there are no differences between the sexes. Not at all, of course there are. What I'm saying is that it does nobody any favours to deal with these antiquidated, dull, broad generalisations about what a real man is and what a real woman is. It's also very, very important to recognise the blurry, complex, but very real point where biology ends and culture begins. Take our understanding of aesthetics and 'beauty'. It's a basic example, but go back 200 years and women who were considered 'beautiful' would struggle to make a '4' on your 'average' male's hotness scale. So our understanding of men's sexual desire we have no problem accepting as cultural - who I want to shag is not who my ancestors wanted to shag. And that's fine. But that flies in the face of biology. If biology was still the grand determinant, shouldn't I be attracted to the woman with the widest child-bearing hips to maximise my chances of successful offspring, not the skinny model in high heels who couldn't outrun a lizard on a cold day? What about homosexuality and bisexuality? They don't really fit that model, either. Fetishes? etc. etc.   As far as culture goes, while most of history has been a patriarchal history, how masculinity and femininity have been expressed have been anything but fixed. What was considered 'manly' has often changed. Was it having pre-pubescent boys ingest your semen, like some ancient cultures? Was it having the finest powdered wigs and most elaborate wardrobe to impress the lords at court? What about non-Western cultures like certain Native American Indian tribes - the Hopi people, where women were held as at least equal, are considered by some anthropologists to be a rare matriarchal society where women are held as socially and politically superior?   The point is, the bulk of this shit is the product of a socio-historic context, not biology. It's not fixed, it's not part of human nature. Certain parts may have had their origins in biological functioning, but thousands and thousands of years of culture have played an overwhelming role in determining this stuff.   I know what you're saying about 'a man acting like a woman being unattractive', but then by what I think you're referring to I would find a woman acting like that unattractive. If we're talking about polarities and binary opposites, we're talking things like strong/weak, decisive/indecisive, leader/follower. I don't believe attraction is the energy of opposites because I don't think attraction is any one thing. I, for instance, am not attracted to the opposite of me - being the narcissist that I am, I'm attracted to the same as me. If I met a woman like me I would propose to her that very day!   YOU may not like your men indecisive or short or whatever, but then there's another woman out there who doesn't care about any of that, and likes completely different things about him. Or maybe there's not, because since birth we've been raised to marvel at chiselled bodies and tall, athletic figures. Of course, if this was 1712 you'd probably be wondering why that lumbering underclass hulk has all of those vulgar muscles showing and no softness - poor sod is probably underfed and forced to work hard labour to survive.   Etc. etc.   I could go on but it's already TL:DR. So I'll just wait to pounce on the next reply.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Quoting 'sensualtimestoo' but, to make my opinion, more gender specific... -a man is someone, who can protect me...(physically as well as financially) -a man is someone, who can make want to beg, for his cock inside me -a man is someone, who can keep it up for me, for 4-5 hours, if i need it hmmm... sorry, couldn't think of anything more, right now He he, well if you'd said this to me a month ago I would have to concede these to you, but with the number of posts about strap-ons we've had these past few weeks I think women can do these things - in fact, especially with number three, they can probably do it a lot more reliably then we mere men!

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    While women can take many of the same roles as men, we are still designed BY NATURE to have different roles in life. Men are designed to carry heavy loads on their shoulders and back ( manual labor, providing for the family). Women are designed to carry loads on the front of their body (child bearing, propagation of the species). The feminists crowds heads will spin around but them is da facts. And I will argue all day the roles of men and women in combat. I have have trained hundreds of troops in the American army, men and women. While many women do their best ( some use their gender to get over), I have seen very few that can bear the weight that a man can take. I have only seen one woman who could 'go the distance' toe to toe with the infantry, and she was a body builder, and only made it by sheer determination, and all the guys congradulated her on being a 'bad ass', when she was about to pass out. Also, even if a woman is on par with a man physically, and can handle herself and shoot, the men will automatically try to defend her position, at their own peril, even if she is fully capable of doing it, because that is what is in our nature to do. I am sorry but I wouldn't want Hillary Clinton when she was in the prime of 'womanhood' being in charge of one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world. She is unstable on a good day. While we need to have a mutual respect for each other, we all have roles to play in life. And face it, while some women think they have been put down, and treated unfairly, you must admit. Just about EVERY war that has been fought, every drop of oil drilled, and everything men have toiled for....... Is to make women more comfortable. As far as being 'dominant' in the bedroom, the first real profession in the world was prostitution. You feminists, quit griping, you have had man by the gonads since day one. When u want something, you just queeze a little harder...... :)

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    On the last post I made.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    This question is a very broad-brush so attempting to make sense of it all may take pages of discussion. Sure, you could put all kinds of PC rhetoric around it about men and women being equal, strong personalities attract similar personalities, ad nauseum but I don't think men and women ever will or even want to be totally equal, generic and interchangeable little units wandering around sharing air. A few million years of genetic programming have only been 'tuned up' by what was really a simple re-balancing act over the last 5 or 6 decades, women have finally taken a very rightful place where they always belonged and much more able to express themselves freely in all walks of life including their own sensual and sexual identities.   Short form, men enjoy being men and women enjoy who they are too. We're all just people separated by our anatomical differences and doing the best we can to make the most of it all. So if women are kind enough to share the good bits of who and what they are, you most likely won't get an argument from men that seem to enjoy their company.

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    What's a man now - what's a man mean Is he rough or is he rugged Is he cultural and clean Now it's all change - it's got to change more 'cause we think it's getting better But nobody's really su

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Where are these incredibley beautiful men ????????????????????????????????????????????

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    You can intellectualise it all you like, but for me it's pure instinct (hence the reason words are so terribly inadequate for expressing my experience of a 'man'). I do think that it's mistaken to assume describing and categorising is a limiting act. Trying to capture the essence of something doesn't mean you intend to reduce it to only the words you can grasp at. All of us are complex and multi-faceted. Words will never do us justice. I just wrote a long paragraph, deleted it, and decided to retreat. My deep love and appreciation for 'men' is mine to enjoy. Enough said :)

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    When I answered this question about 6 months ago my answer was "a man to me...means nothing these days." And guess what?? I've since changed that answer as back then, I had no real idea about what it meant for me. Now?? Well...to me a mans means taking his woman by the hand to push through a crowd, he's not afraid to be laughed at for being different, he can have that "dear, we need to talk" talk, and more importantly he initiates it. He can talk openly about his feelings, he can ask for help in times of extreme adversity and know his lady will also also be there to lend a hand, without the feeling of being inferior. He can look at his lady and just know she needs to held, but then there's the sexual side of the man, but this I think will do for now.

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    A real man lookes after his kids as much as humanly possible. Espescially after a breakup/dissolution of the original relationship

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Hardtruckin you also have some very desired qualities listed, you both said everything that I want.   A man is strong when he needs to be but never against a woman, a man is sensitive and gentle when he is required to be. A man will take care of his children. Not just house, clothe and feed them, but really connect with them, be a good role model and someone they can love and respect and take pride in having as their dad.

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    what is a man?for me....a man is someone, on whom you can count on...he's true to his words...he has respect...he is reliable...someone, who awakens the feelings of respect , admiration and submission, in me...i admit, that i have found, the perfect definition, of a man, in my husband..(cheesy i know...)but he is the first partner, i have ever had...who makes me feel, like i have a MAN, by my side...he takes care of stuff, that needs to be taken care of...without beating his chest, or demanding acknowledgment ...he just does it...he is my best friend...i can tell him my darkest secrets...desires...feelings...he thinks, i am just as mesmerizing, in the morning...with messy hair, un-brushed teeth, no make-up ...as i am all dressed up in his favourite lingerie...all made up , filled with dirty desires.....wanting to be taken...he makes me feel like a WOMAN, i guess....he is gentle and sensitive...but by no means a push-over....and in his arms...i feel like the sexiest, most desirable, most beautiful woman, on the face of the Earth....as for the question.."have we moved on"...?i hope not...i love a man, who still acts like one...not the macho bull***t...just someone, who has respect...honour...some old fashioned values...who can make (not expect) a woman, to be a WOMAN....because she feels, she has a MAN by her side...I like the feelings expressed in your description, and I would be very fulfilled if my partner feels that way about me.I have no doubts in me that there are differences and specifics roles in genders. The problem is that Females have being abused for centuries by man, and at a deep level they don't trust man any longer......So really, they are not open and vulnerable to men.....(they being hurt to much).....So they deny themselves...physically, emotionally or combination of both.Men, are now frustrated...they don't have access to the deep love, trust, surrender, and vulnerability of a loving female....This creates a "Mexican Stand Off" between sexes......where both are left hurt and defensive towards each other.....Very hard to overcame, a lot needs to be undone......to restore the balance and harmony that it needs to happen for true love and full potential of growth to be achieved in couples.I could elaborate much longer on the subject, and happy to do so if some of you are interested in this perspective......Cheers

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    For me a man is just the opposite of a woman He is hard I am soft He is tall I am short He is strong I am weak He protects I care He looks down I look up I believe we have to just embrace the difference in male and female and stop fighting each other. And being honest, I don’t want to be a man. I don’t want to change a tyre please help me you strong men out there. I don’t want to fix any appliances in my house, where are you, you sexy male in overalls with a screwdriver and oily hands? I don’t want to labour in a shitty job; please give me a nice little house with a picket fence and roses at the front. I kiss you goodbye in the morning and kiss you when you come home. Show me your hardness when you push me on the kitchen bench and show me when I cook for you how much you missed me over the day. I think I just opened my fantasy to an old fashion dream. Where can I be a woman again without having to fight to have a man on my side who can be a man?

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Quoting 'Litonya' I think I just opened my fantasy to an old fashion dream. Where can I be a woman again without having to fight to have a man on my side who can be a man? The 1950s. Seriously though, I guess, as brave_heart says, it's much more personal than universal. I'll personally take a woman who can clear a blocked S-bend, thanks. Hot stuff! Or I can get all Super Mario on it, if I'm the one to notice it. Either/or. And if you don't think a woman can look sexy in overalls and a bit of grease, I present to you Kaylee from Firefly! (of course it doesn't hurt to look like Jewel Staite, either...)

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Is what I call BP, the quiet achiever. He is the man that builds the house up around his family. He is the guy that goes into a burning fire, and then comes home to read a bed time story to his children with soot still on his face. He is the man that has never said a horrid word to me, even though I have thrown pots and pans at him. He just learnt to duck not only the pans but my emotional boohooo hooo. He holds my hair back when I throw up. He gets at the messy end of bringing his children into the world. When we divorced he made sure me and my children’s needs were met, and even then some. He never ran me down in front of my children even when going through a divorce. Child support was not an obligation it was what he thought a man should do. Even when divorced he fixed things, around the house and paid for a new kitchen for me. When he chasing bad guys in dangerous situations he takes time to ring his family not only to let them know he is ok, but more important to him to see if we are ok. He may not be the romancing dancing hot sexy lover that’s in the fantasy of many woman’s dreams But after ten years of divorce that is why no man measured up to him, and now I am back safely tucked under his wing. Does he know I have lovers, yes but does that matter to him, perhaps, but he is man enough to understand. He never says much, he does not have to, all I know is that I feel safe and loved by him.

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Quoting 'Litonya' For me a man is just the opposite of a woman He is hard I am soft He is tall I am short He is strong I am weak He protects I care He looks down I look up I believe we have to just embrace the difference in male and female and stop fighting each other. And being honest, I don’t want to be a man. I don’t want to change a tyre please help me you strong men out there. I don’t want to fix any appliances in my house, where are you, you sexy male in overalls with a screwdriver and oily hands? I don’t want to labour in a shitty job; please give me a nice little house with a picket fence and roses at the front. I kiss you goodbye in the morning and kiss you when you come home. Show me your hardness when you push me on the kitchen bench and show me when I cook for you how much you missed me over the day. I think I just opened my fantasy to an old fashion dream. Where can I be a woman again without having to fight to have a man on my side who can be a man?Its just a lovely vision , of the ying and the yang of male female

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Quoting 'neptune_drift' Quoting 'brave__heart'Men and woman are different. We may share many of the same characteristics, but they're frequently expressed in different ways. Both may nurture, but differently. Both may show strength, but differently. Attraction is the energy of opposites, masculine and feminine polarity. It's subtle but powerful and it's there whether you recognise it for what it is, or not. Words that describe characteristics are just that - words - and I agree they are interchangeable for the sexes. However, I don't agree that what makes a man a man is the same as what makes a woman a woman. In the same way that dominance needs submission, masculine needs feminine and vice versa. I've been exploring masculine and feminine energy, polarity and dynamics for many years and I promise you, when a man acts like a woman he's deeply unattractive to me, but when he acts like a man, hubba hubba!! I am not saying that there are no differences between the sexes. Not at all, of course there are. What I'm saying is that it does nobody any favours to deal with these antiquidated, dull, broad generalisations about what a real man is and what a real woman is. It's also very, very important to recognise the blurry, complex, but very real point where biology ends and culture begins. Take our understanding of aesthetics and 'beauty'. It's a basic example, but go back 200 years and women who were considered 'beautiful' would struggle to make a '4' on your 'average' male's hotness scale. So our understanding of men's sexual desire we have no problem accepting as cultural - who I want to shag is not who my ancestors wanted to shag. And that's fine. But that flies in the face of biology. If biology was still the grand determinant, shouldn't I be attracted to the woman with the widest child-bearing hips to maximise my chances of successful offspring, not the skinny model in high heels who couldn't outrun a lizard on a cold day? What about homosexuality and bisexuality? They don't really fit that model, either. Fetishes? etc. etc.   As far as culture goes, while most of history has been a patriarchal history, how masculinity and femininity have been expressed have been anything but fixed. What was considered 'manly' has often changed. Was it having pre-pubescent boys ingest your semen, like some ancient cultures? Was it having the finest powdered wigs and most elaborate wardrobe to impress the lords at court? What about non-Western cultures like certain Native American Indian tribes - the Hopi people, where women were held as at least equal, are considered by some anthropologists to be a rare matriarchal society where women are held as socially and politically superior?   The point is, the bulk of this shit is the product of a socio-historic context, not biology. It's not fixed, it's not part of human nature. Certain parts may have had their origins in biological functioning, but thousands and thousands of years of culture have played an overwhelming role in determining this stuff.   I know what you're saying about 'a man acting like a woman being unattractive', but then by what I think you're referring to I would find a woman acting like that unattractive. If we're talking about polarities and binary opposites, we're talking things like strong/weak, decisive/indecisive, leader/follower. I don't believe attraction is the energy of opposites because I don't think attraction is any one thing. I, for instance, am not attracted to the opposite of me - being the narcissist that I am, I'm attracted to the same as me. If I met a woman like me I would propose to her that very day!   YOU may not like your men indecisive or short or whatever, but then there's another woman out there who doesn't care about any of that, and likes completely different things about him. Or maybe there's not, because since birth we've been raised to marvel at chiselled bodies and tall, athletic figures. Of course, if this was 1712 you'd probably be wondering why that lumbering underclass hulk has all of those vulgar muscles showing and no softness - poor sod is probably underfed and forced to work hard labour to survive.   Etc. etc.   I could go on but it's already TL:DR. So I'll just wait to pounce on the next reply.   I sure would like you to be a dinner guest, what great conversations we could have

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Real Men · Have a Chest · Have Chest Hair · Long Legs must be taller than me · 3 to 4 days without a shave look so sexy · Have pets dogs, cats love animals · Play Team sport · Have a shed · Can be big kids when playing with children · Make stuff · Fix stuff · Try to cook

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Real Men · Have a Chest · Have Chest Hair · Long Legs must be taller than me · 3 to 4 days without a shave look so sexy · Have pets dogs, cats love animals · Play Team sport · Have a shed · Can be big kids when playing with children · Make stuff · Fix stuff · Try to cook

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Like you Mr.Drift,I would love to meet a male version of me,perhaps we would loathe each other...NoFuzz ,when I read your post and what you said about women being damaged, absolutely resonated with me .It was a shock and although I hate to admit it, I am one of those women. I really feel that both men and women should be able to think and feel however it is that they choose to, without having to worry about societal expectations of the roles that they should fill. Some men are weak ,some men are strong in the physical sense but then other men have both a strenghth of character that has nothing to do with the physical strength and some men have both like TRs partner.Until recently all my housemates were women.They were, with one exception much younger than me and I became their surrogate mother in many ways.For the past twelve months my housemate has been male.Such a different dynamic,it is much more of a mutual on friendship...we are not nor will we ever be lovers...we actually support each other in very traditional male /female ways,he hates cooking so I often cook for him,I cant hammer a nail,unblock a sink,etc,he can and does. He is very kind to many of our neighbours who are elderly ,mows their lawn takes them shopping,because it just seems to him to be the right thing to do.However he also has his demons that he grapples with daily. I have other male friends who are either bi or gay. Two of them who are a couple live in a country town .They are often taunted once they were physically attacked by a group of local hoons.They dare not wear clothes that make them appear to be different for this reason so they dress in the acceptable uniform of the local men.They recently moved to a larger town and things have improved a little. Perhaps we all have to a greater or lesser degree both male and female traits but we make choices about our lifestyles, about who we prefer sexually and who ,where and how we want to share our lives with. For me a man is whomever he wants to be and as long as he is kind,caring and responsible to and for his loved ones the rest is moot.x R

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    For me, I like a man to assume the role of protector, doesn't always have to lead in the bedroom, however, a man that knows what he wants in the bedroom and takes it is actually a turn on for me.

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    A real man doesnt threaten women.A real man doesnt hide behind a keyboard.A real man actually enjoys the company of real women.A real man doesnt go running to the boss to dob on his workmates when confronted with truths.A real man has the balls to be teased.A real man doesnt need to push their material goodies to be liked.I really like men, some I have even loved.Those men have been real men.

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Quoting 'brave__heart'Men and woman are different. We may share many of the same characteristics, but they're frequently expressed in different ways. Both may nurture, but differently. Both may show strength, but differently. Attraction is the energy of opposites, masculine and feminine polarity. It's subtle but powerful and it's there whether you recognise it for what it is, or not. Words that describe characteristics are just that - words - and I agree they are interchangeable for the sexes. However, I don't agree that what makes a man a man is the same as what makes a woman a woman. In the same way that dominance needs submission, masculine needs feminine and vice versa. I've been exploring masculine and feminine energy, polarity and dynamics for many years and I promise you, when a man acts like a woman he's deeply unattractive to me, but when he acts like a man, hubba hubba!! As you often do brave_heart, well said.   My sister in law protects my brother like a lioness. Very unattractive as he is a man and I can see him getting frustrated during a brotherly argument. By the same token, I have been in trouble with a girlfriend because I didn't get involved with an argument she started with a guy. Yes, he was much bigger than me but she was never in physical danger and I didn't agree with her.   Sometimes a man has to man up and the biggest challenge to most boys is to learn when. At a nightclub in the city,when you're 18, is not a good time to try to be a man. Discrestion ( spelt badly, I think) is the better part of valour and a man knows the the difference between pushing an argument and backing off because it's not worth it.   I'm not saying it's easier to be female verses being male. Learning to be a woman has it's own set of complications. I'll take being a boy trying to be a man anytime.....One day I might get there.

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    a man is a person who gives of his time...who stands by you and strokes your hair as you throw up into the toilet when you are violently ill...a shoulder to lean on when you have been fired from your job...strength when you are weak with grief...compassion when you have been a total and utter idiot...oh, and takes control when you get out of line...*giggles*...and a giggler too...Ricky

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    My man is a great big bear of a man. Stands 6 foot tall and weighs over 120 kgs. He shaves his head and nothing else. Manscaping is out of the question. He looks so bad-arse mean with tattoos, earing and silver jewelery. He takes no shit from others. He would protect me and his family and friends with no holds barred. And inside he is as soft as a marshmellow. Little babies and little animals turn him to mush! He works hard, drives his own truck and then sits in front of the tv with his feet up. But snuggled on his lap is a very old cat that he has had since she was a kitten, through his marriage break up he kept custody of that old cat. When he is away from home he askes me every day how the cat is. I am a very independant woman. Not submissive in or out of the bedroom. But we have very definate gender divisions in our relationship. I cook and I do the dishes and washing. But when I have traveled a great distance, he cooks for me incase I am tired after my long drive. When it starts to rain he is right there to grab the washing with me and I dont need to ask. My man left school when he was 14, I have one degree down and working on another but he is no dummy, operates his own successful business and actively encourages me to do what I want. If I want to study next year, that is okay with him, if I want to stack supermarket shelves all he says is "if that is what you want to do" I nuture...and he needs to be looked after. He protects...and I need to feel safe. Anyone who meets him is left in absolutely no doubt that he is a man's man. There is nothing girly about him at all But he let me paint his toenails.....and blamed it on his grand daughter. Personally I would like to get all his ex's in one room and thank them all for walking away and leaving this wonderful man all for me.

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    If If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too:If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,Or being hated don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise; If you can dream---and not make dreams your master; If you can think---and not make thoughts your aim,If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same:.If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build'em up with worn-out tools; If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,And lose, and start again at your beginnings, And never breathe a word about your loss:If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone,And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!" If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings---nor lose the common touch,If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much:If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And---which is more---you'll be a Man, my son! Rudyard Kipling

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    A real man = my frannaman hardworker,big heart and wont stop until i'm satisfied he is the best,all that aside we have different opinions on what a real man or woman is but works for us

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Quoting 'Nightrider59' If If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too:If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,Or being hated don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise; If you can dream---and not make dreams your master; If you can think---and not make thoughts your aim,If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same:.If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build'em up with worn-out tools; If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,And lose, and start again at your beginnings, And never breathe a word about your loss:If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone,And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!" If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings---nor lose the common touch,If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much:If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And---which is more---you'll be a Man, my son! Rudyard Kipling i have read this poem, a long time ago...and it was all, but forgotten..thank you, for re-introducing me to it, again...i had goose bumps reading it...

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Its Me   god sorry to take so long getting the answer to you all

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    thanks so much for popping by,and your son is welcome too,and the holy goat...oh no,on second thoughts leave the goat at homex R

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Quoting 'sensualtimestoo' i have read this poem, a long time ago...and it was all, but forgotten..thank you, for re-introducing me to it, again...i had goose bumps reading it...and thank you for in turn for your kind words. Have to admit that I had pretty much forgotten about it too. Reading this thread and the insights being shared sparked a memory I guess. It means so much more to me now as a man than it did to me as a boy!!

  • Playful2looking

    Playful2looking

    13 years ago

    Whats a real man not sure. whats a real women.still not sure.real men and real women come in all shapes and sizes.I don't need a women to buy me a house but if she really wants to. If she earns more money them me who cares. Its a partnership not a contest. Its easier to face the world together.. support not conflict

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Quoting 'wowwow11' Its Me   god sorry to take so long getting the answer to you all " Ha " Brilliant !... that is so , so you !

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Ok and then comes the purr animal instinct. What attract me is a smoking male….isn’t this interesting. I don’t smoke and find it yukk when I can smell it on people. But, But, But, I must admit it triggers something in my mind and body. When I kiss a man and I can’t get enough suddenly it comes, I ask do you smoke by any chance and the answer is yes. So what is this? I am blown away, I am sexually charged when there is a hint of smoke and aftershave. Aftershave is accepted but not smoking nowadays. Trust me I searched my mind and came up with my upbringing. Being 5 years old and surrounded by males and a pub…we had a pub, restaurant the smoke was as thick as thick, my mind must have this imprint of maleness in there somewhere. The smell and the male, masculinity surrounding me as a kid! So I tell you my late husband smoked and the men I love and I say love kissing all smoke…..I must be crazy.

  • Cheekyarses

    Cheekyarses

    13 years ago

    What is a man? Everyone is different in what they are expecting in someone! A man for me is this - an honest, courageous, strong person who can understand his own feelings and isn't afraid to say what he wants..... A man who respects himself and others around him, who is old school and still likes to open doors for women... A man if he has children - loves his children and will always be there for them.... In the bedroom - a man to allow the woman to express herself in any way she wishes too!! To take the lead or to be lead.... Arrogance and selfishish is not an attractive attribute !!

  • belladonna888

    belladonna888

    13 years ago

    We all want something different not matter what gender.   Is their that perfect other we search for and how long after we've had them do they start to become the " not so perfect " other..   What we do when we first meet may seem wonderful then as time passes it could be so annoying you just want to scream ..   After my time on here i wonder , do we ever stop looking for the greener grass ..

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    XY

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Such a tricky one! I have so many ideas about what a man is but they have never all been encapsulated in one man! I like my men to be in charge, to make me feel safe, sexy and cherished. To know how to romance me and sweep me off my feet but also know how to also keep me in line ;) I can't stand arrogance, a lack of generosity or thoughtlessness. It's just a turn off! Old school romance is always a winner with me :) I want my man to be my rock, to do good by me and do me good ;)

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Who wants to be a man or a woman? just a little bit of role play that becomes a restrictive reality. Be a decent person..

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Quoting 'whole9yards' Who wants to be a man or a woman? just a little bit of role play that becomes a restrictive reality. Be a decent person.. There has been so much written on this thread, and I have been thinking a man is a human being! This comment has simple eloquence. PS Loved the Rudyard Kipling poem Night Rider

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    I said then that all a person needs to be a man is a penis. A 'manly man' seems to have been a little more contentious. Then there was the thread about "Gentlemen" and it seems that, by the intricate definition offered, this is an almost extinct breed. What does society demand of a man in this day and age? Will it be the same in another hundred years? Whether relevant or not, to me a man should still aspire to be the "wise protector".

  • boots_69

    boots_69

    13 years ago

    I learnt the hard way that you cannot totally protect those you love physically (and you can do even less for the mental anguish that follows, even if you want to). Does that mean I don't try - No. I will still let those values that I was brought up with come through and will try to do what I can. To answer the second part of the question - no I don't want to take the lead all the time, its tiring and I am no mind reader. The disappointment shows when I get it wrong, so tell me what you would like to do it makes it much more fun and enjoyable for both of us.Has societies view changed - the post here show a big variation and age is not constant with the different opinions. I think belladonna said it best - we all want something different.Be who you are and those that think alike will find you.Boots