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'play fighting' and choking
April 10 2011
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RHP User
15 years ago
Hi jessyjam, I was actually going to make an entry about this! I've been with two girls who liked a rough hand across the throat, verging on breath play. It wasn't so much my thing but I did it because I aim to please. ;) But a full on Jiu Jitsu match! Sign me up. I was planning on teaching my ex some of the basics, she was up for giving it a try, but unfortunately left me before we could. Hot damn. It's been a fantasy of mine on the backburner since I was a teenager and doing the Japanese version of Ju Jitsu where we only did a little of the groundfighting occaisonally. Now I'm training in the Brazilian version where aside from the takedown at the start of the match, that's alll it is, baby! And there's a girl in our class... and she just won some competitions. Damn, I've got to get fit and get skilled, I'd love a chance at that... So would everyone else in my class, I'm sure. I was a green belt in the Japanese stuff, but that was years ago and now I've started back at white belt in BJJ. And I've been sidelined for coming on two months because a new guy sprained my ankle really quite badly. :( But they don't hand out black belts like candy in BJJ. Our instructor isn't even a black belt, he's brown, and he's our instructor. There are supposed to be many years between belts, the longest time period between brown and black. So it sounds as though you may have been playing with someone very much older, you naughty girl! ;) Well, you'll never beat a black belt unless he lets you. End of story, sorry about that. But you'd have a fair chance against me. ;) You're going straight into the short list. Let me know if you're in Brisbane. Practice up and maybe I'll head down there for the title match - wearing gi. (The lapels on the gi open up a whole new world of chokes...) Seriously, join a class, you'll love it. Also try experimenting with some of the joint locks instead of the chokes, see if that's any fun and get back to me. Thanks for making my night!
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RHP User
15 years ago
I have a few years experience in each Judo, Wrestling and Jiu Jitsu, but unfortunately I have only had one regular friend who liked it as much as me. Be careful with blood flow chokes though; it can pinch the vein so it doesnt reopen, which is why security arent allowed to use blood flow chokes anymore and gyms encourage students to tap out before it they pass out.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Doesnt sound like fun to me sorry. Wouldnt take much for something to go wrong and then there are no second chances. Sexy fun only for me thanks.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Choking is on my HELL NO list but if you're comfortable and confident that they know what they're doing, rock on with whatever works for you i don't mind messing around vying for the top spot occasionally, it's more a spontaneous thing and just for a laugh but I usually lose (not on purpose!) and being pinned is kinda hot. Not something I'd incorporate regularly tho.xx Sarah
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RHP User
15 years ago
Wrestling and mucking around together can heighten awareness ...yes. Usually on a spontaneous basis. Dont think I would go so far as to say it was the very best foreplay ah.....nooooo. As for asphixiation, choking....wasnt there a hgh profile death last year involving that? Any sort of pain during sex is out for me, especially life threatening pain.
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RHP User
15 years ago
A bit of playful wrestling, light sparring or even mixed arts to submission all in fun can indeed lead to a very explosive and spontaneous romp, however... | Quoting 'jessyjam' ...he did a blood choke on me, takes about 3 seconds to make you unconcious if its done right, and you hold your arm up so they know your out.| Sorry to spoil your party, but...at what state of "unconsciousness" are you abel to raise your arm? A loss of oxygen to the brain substantial enough to cause that (blood carries oxygen to your brain) would not occur in 3 seconds unless it was a result of a sudden severe and traumatic injury...and whilst there is no real known cause of what can cause a "knock out" most medical authorities agree that it involves some sort of sudden traume to your brain stem. | Last note...anyone that was properly trained in both body and mind to the mastery level of a black belt would under no circumstances play with you in this manner. Be careful...and if you can in the future... | ...take this for a miss.
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RHP User
15 years ago
You can't use your safe word when you are unconscious. I have seen documentaries on martial arts and there are things they can do around your neck that can kill you. Anyone prepared to use these techniques on you for fun is not sufficiently disciplined and is probably going to end up hurting you. We love playing with choking and I love my collar, but we only allow hands for choking, and Mr J is always very aware of what I am going through and what my limits are. Having said that, we are all adults and provided we are prepared to accept the consequences for our choices we should feel free to do whatever turns us on.. :)CheersMrs J
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RHP User
15 years ago
Crime scene sex! Wrestling! Fighting for it (and preferably losing), yum!That"blood choke" thing... sounds completely hot too! Juijitsu you say... hmmmm
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DonnaBrett
15 years ago
The playful pinning down thing is ok so long as all agree. The choking thing to the point of being blacked out is just plain dangerous. This is as dangerous as taking drugs like E...one person can take it..no problem, the next person takes it..bad reaction..then brain damage or death...is it worth it? No way! Same goes for that choking scene...you may get away with once , twice or three times...but it only needs to go wrong once and you have one dead woman and some guy with a lot of explaining to do...hmmm...maybe his cell mate will understand his reasons? Then the question beckons... how could any guy get off on inflicting such harm to a woman (whether she asks or not)... there are some serious issues there that he needs to address.
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RHP User
15 years ago
I watched a documentary on it, they hooked the guy up to all this electric stuff and got someone to choke him out, he went unconcious at about 6 seconds, the heart rate lowered, the brain activity dropped, and respiration dropped, then within 3 seconds the brain 'rebooted' and within 5 seconds of him going unconcious everything was back to normal and the only side effect is a 5 second lapse in your short term memory.... the only dangers are 1. if you do it with someone who isnt trained properly, they can choke around the wrong bit and 2. if they keep going after you go unconcious (though they say it takes at least 4 minutes of holding it after blacking out to do any permanent damage) so obviously... id NEVER do it with anyone not trained properly. It happens in bjj fights and mma fights all the time, its much safer then being punched in the head... choke outs if done properly cause no damage.. being punched in the head does lol... choke outs have been done in bjj for decades and theres never been anyone seriously injured from it.. and i'd only do it with someone I trust, i've known this guy for a while.. he's been doing jiujitsu, mma, taikwando and kickboxing since he was 6.. so he knows what he's doing :p thus i feel perfectly safe doing it. I researched it alot before I tried it. ALL of the cases on injury with choking did not involve it happening with a properly trained person. It involved people not knowing what they were doing, or doing air chokes which are much more dangerous because they can crush the trachea and wind pipe and take alot longer than blood chokes. But even still... as addicting as it is I wouldnt go doing it all the time :p once every couple of weeks isnt going to do any damage lolbut asides from the choking, still love play fighting, esspecially with martial arts people because i love losing more than i love winning :p hahaha
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RHP User
15 years ago
thought the idea was pretty cool but never ended up trying it. ah well, if it works, go for it i guess
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RHP User
15 years ago
PlAYING HANG ON NODDY, Didn't work out so well.
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RHP User
15 years ago
We were talking about how it is meant to intensify O's but we agreed you'd need 3 to be safe... One person that u trust would introduce the choking while you were having sex with some one else so that their full attention is on the job at hand with a mutual understanding before hand on how to approach it. I think done in small steps with someone fully focused on your well being is reasonable if u wanted to satisfy ur curiosity??
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RHP User
15 years ago
Sorry to spoil your party, but...at what state of "unconsciousness" are you abel to raise your arm? A loss of oxygen to the brain substantial enough to cause that (blood carries oxygen to your brain) would not occur in 3 seconds unless it was a result of a sudden severe and traumatic injury...and whilst there is no real known cause of what can cause a "knock out" most medical authorities agree that it involves some sort of sudden traume to your brain stem.Your arm is already up, then when you near unconsciousness you cant keep it up.The hold described here actually "Slows" the blood to your brain, then when you let go, there is a sudden rush of blood, which is what renders you unconscious.JessyJam, HELL YEAH, we love it, a bit of "Wrasling" is such a turn on. If you REALLY like this sort of play, buy yourself a cheap but nice camisole, and knickers, and have him pin you down and rip them off you bit by bit......very sexy stuff!but then thats how we roll too hehe
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'lovethehoneypot' PlAYING HANG ON NODDY, Didn't work out so well. agrees it certainly didn't work for Michael and what a waste of such a talent, but then accidental death is a waste. I am wondering when a great orgasm isn't enough and you keep looking for that next high. I have never taken drugs and do wonder if the ultimate "O" is like what they have described as that first hit. It is never as good. Where do you stop when the consequences can be so tragic. I also wonder if you indulged in the act and you were with someone fairly new having a liaison in a hotel, would the person panick and bolt, or do the right thing and stay for medical assistance. Defin not on my agenda.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'jessyjam'but asides from the choking, still love play fighting, esspecially with martial arts people because i love losing more than i love winning :p hahahaI can relate to that. A big strong street fighter is good to wrestle with as well.
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DonnaBrett
15 years ago
Oh Yeah..three people would be better...one to die and two to carry the body to the boot of the car...or to point fingers at each other just to confuse the police!!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Pass!!!! Pusscat xx
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twowithnolimits
15 years ago
Go Jessy..heres a surprise for all the martial arts "experts" here (presumably with years of choking experience) knocking your fun...martial artists at that level nearly always have a sound knowledge of physiology and first aid too...and guys lets not muddy the waters by lumping chokes, strangulations and knock outs into the same conversation...every week around the world hundreds if not thousands of grapplers get choked unconscious in training and in competition, anyone got the death rates?
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RHP User
15 years ago
Close but no cohiba...that type of "hold" can be applied with a single arm and compresses either or both the carotid arteries and/or the jugular veins without cutting off the air passage. A very common type of restraining hold used in both law enforcement and military combat training. It can also be achieved similarly by more brutal and possibly lethal striking blow however may also cause tramua or injury to the trachea and larynx. Dizziness and/or unconsciousness are a result of hypoxia in the brain...not a rush of oxygen. Collateral damage could include a little something called cerebral ischemia...hey, that sound like fun too. | Quoting 'luvitruf'Your arm is already up, then when you near unconsciousness you cant keep it up. The hold described here actually "Slows" the blood to your brain, then when you let go, there is a sudden rush of blood, which is what renders you unconscious. | Some folks do think that there may just be "sex to die for" but I think I will just sit on the ropes outside the ring and watch. You might want to be sure your dancing partner is in perfect health too. | Donna_Brett I am with you...three people would be better, one to die and two to carry the body to the boot of the car. | 絞技
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RHP User
15 years ago
Google "vagal inhibiton" before you even think of attempting any kind of choke. The vagus nerves that control breathing, heart rate and blood pressure run down the sides of the jugular and when these are stimulated they can do unpredictable things like stopping the heartbeat or send your blood pressure skyrocketing to the point were you have a stroke. And if you have an as yet undiscovered aneurysm, well it will be a quick way to discover it. Breath play is an entirely different concept but not quite as dangerous.As to the playfighting, yeah, go ahead and have fun but don't forget the icepacks for later. My partner and I know martial arts and we do it all the time.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'twowithnolimits' Go Jessy..heres a surprise for all the martial arts "experts" here (presumably with years of choking experience) knocking your fun...martial artists at that level nearly always have a sound knowledge of physiology and first aid too...and guys lets not muddy the waters by lumping chokes, strangulations and knock outs into the same conversation...every week around the world hundreds if not thousands of grapplers get choked unconscious in training and in competition, anyone got the death rates? Exactly lol.. there have been NO DEATHS recorded for this kind of choke done in any martial arts fights...infact in ANY MMA fight there has only been one death EVER and that was an unsanctioned fight. There havent even been any injuries related to chokes in martial arts fights and they are considered the safest way of winning a fight... punching and kicking and other locks can cause broken bones, bruises, concussion, etc...all choking unconcious does (if done by a properly trained invidiaul) is cause you to have a 5 second lapse in your memory.. from the time of the choke to the time you become 'aware' again.Also, someone made a comment about safe words... you're not unconcious long enough to worry about safe words.. as the brain starts to 'reboot' the second the choke is released, sometimes its so quick that a watcher wouldnt be able to tell if they actually went unconcious or not
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RHP User
15 years ago
Is it really worth risking your life for ONE sexual experience???????
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'jessyjam' Quoting 'twowithnolimits' Go Jessy..heres a surprise for all the martial arts "experts" here (presumably with years of choking experience) knocking your fun...martial artists at that level nearly always have a sound knowledge of physiology and first aid too...and guys lets not muddy the waters by lumping chokes, strangulations and knock outs into the same conversation...every week around the world hundreds if not thousands of grapplers get choked unconscious in training and in competition, anyone got the death rates? Exactly lol.. there have been NO DEATHS recorded for this kind of choke done in any martial arts fights...infact in ANY MMA fight there has only been one death EVER and that was an unsanctioned fight. There havent even been any injuries related to chokes in martial arts fights and they are considered the safest way of winning a fight... punching and kicking and other locks can cause broken bones, bruises, concussion, etc...all choking unconcious does (if done by a properly trained invidiaul) is cause you to have a 5 second lapse in your memory.. from the time of the choke to the time you become 'aware' again.Also, someone made a comment about safe words... you're not unconcious long enough to worry about safe words.. as the brain starts to 'reboot' the second the choke is released, sometimes its so quick that a watcher wouldnt be able to tell if they actually went unconcious or not I would suggest you forget the b/s martial arts death statistics and go check out the medical/pathology statistics. Start with coroners reports/findings.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'MistressT' Quoting 'jessyjam' Quoting 'twowithnolimits' Go Jessy..heres a surprise for all the martial arts "experts" here (presumably with years of choking experience) knocking your fun...martial artists at that level nearly always have a sound knowledge of physiology and first aid too...and guys lets not muddy the waters by lumping chokes, strangulations and knock outs into the same conversation...every week around the world hundreds if not thousands of grapplers get choked unconscious in training and in competition, anyone got the death rates? Exactly lol.. there have been NO DEATHS recorded for this kind of choke done in any martial arts fights...infact in ANY MMA fight there has only been one death EVER and that was an unsanctioned fight. There havent even been any injuries related to chokes in martial arts fights and they are considered the safest way of winning a fight... punching and kicking and other locks can cause broken bones, bruises, concussion, etc...all choking unconcious does (if done by a properly trained invidiaul) is cause you to have a 5 second lapse in your memory.. from the time of the choke to the time you become 'aware' again.Also, someone made a comment about safe words... you're not unconcious long enough to worry about safe words.. as the brain starts to 'reboot' the second the choke is released, sometimes its so quick that a watcher wouldnt be able to tell if they actually went unconcious or not I would suggest you forget the b/s martial arts death statistics and go check out the medical/pathology statistics. Start with coroners reports/findings. medical/pathology statistics would be due to people who dont know what they are doing doing it... not properly trained people..
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RHP User
15 years ago
Jessyjam, you think it is safe because you did it once and got away with it. Ask any fully qualified medical practitioner and they will say the same as me. Anything that involves a loss of consciousness could have serious side effects to the brain.For the record, I speak from years of martial arts experience in Wing Chun and previous employment in the medical field. I am also in a profession in which requests for breath play and choke play is common. In fact many people in my line of work have solid medical backgrounds and I know from discussion with them that they refuse to do choke play as it is too dangerous.Who is to say if someone is properly trained? And who are these properly trained people you keep banging on about.? How do they become qualified? Do they have more than basic physiology? But more to the point, where is the commonsense in all of this?
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RHP User
15 years ago
I'm not about to listen to someone saying they are good without proof... I'm just starting jiujitsu and he has the same instructor as me but different dojo. He's in the team, watched heaps of his competition videos.. not to mention seen his endless rows of trophies, as well as a huge one that was displayed at his dojo... and even so he's never talked himself up ever... and jiujitsu isnt like other martial arts where they hand out the belts like candy... takes YEARS for each belt...But anyway, I feel very safe with him, obviously seeing i trust him enough to do that! When usually i'm very paranoid about anything that could be dangerous, which is why i researched it, got info from both sides and made a decision from my findings...but sure, if you think its dangerous, don't do it, because obviously if you think its dangerous then your not with someone you trust completely and thus shouldnt do it anyway... and even if i never do it again it was still something that was awesome to try lol...and also, when i say 'play fighting' i dont mean hurting each other.... i mean PLAY fighting lol, i never once said ACTUAL proper fighting/sparring. I meant what i said.. 'playing'.Also, i do do martial arts, I was half way to black in ninjitsu several years ago, am now a green belt in karate and im starting jiujitsu next week. I've seen the black belts spar lol.. and im not talking about that kind of fighting lol
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'HotSexyChilli' Quoting 'jessyjam' Quoting 'MistressT' I would suggest you forget the b/s martial arts death statistics and go check out the medical/pathology statistics. Start with coroners reports/findings. medical/pathology statistics would be due to people who dont know what they are doing doing it... not properly trained people.. You and I both know guys are very often full of shit, talking themselves up, wearing you down, tell you what you wanna hear and let's face it, you do wana hear it's safe. Are you qualified to know if your current playmate is properly trained and knows what he is doing??? Hang in a dojo for just a few short months and observe the newbies talking it up like professionals - well hey, anyone can watch a few docos, read a few mags and hell yeah, we're all properly trained. (And don't forget every doco and article is written by someone with an agenda of their own, proving their own pre-existing opinion. Do the experts ever agree on anything???) Dojos are full of martial arts cherry pickers, hopping from one style or discipline to another, endless green belts in endless styles but master of none. They blow in, blow it up, breeze out to find some other "instructor" willing to blow smoke up their ass (in exchange for their money, of course). They lack discipline, fibre and more significantly proficiency. Did you realise that people die in the arms of doctors and paramedics who ARE PRESENT during their heart attacks, strokes etc from beginning to end??? Medics are not quite so blase about major health risks as you and your expert friend seem to be. And BTW, I've never yet seen a first aid component to any of the numerous black belt gradings I've trained at and been graded at. It's not a Bronze Medallion, there's no government standard or international protocol. Anyone can start a new martial art and design their own rules, hand out certificates and push out black belts. I'm 100% with Midnight on this one, Jessyjam Quoting 'ChasingMidnight' Last note...anyone that was properly trained in both body and mind to the mastery level of a black belt would under no circumstances play with you in this manner. Be careful...and if you can in the future... | True martial arts masters would never go near you in this way in a million years, nor would military trained fighters. They take what they do seriously, and would never risk their professional reputation on a throw away sexual kink. Get your ass into a dojo ASAP and you will find that the kind of play fighting you describe as the best possible foreplay is nothing at all close to realistic sparring. I would be willing to bet your playmates don't push past that point of pleasure into true pain in the way we do during sparring and even more so in competitions. And I'm not talking a few token bruises on the wrists, ankles etc, a graze or burn. We're talking icepacks, elevation, rest when it's minor, then if major it's physiotherapy through to urgent medical attention (stitches, setting bones etc) and time off training and competition. I personally find sparring with a respectful male opponent in the dojo very hot and my post training play sessions are on fire. But respect is the key word and these sparring partners push you out of your comfort zone but don't cross the line into damage and significant pain. The hallmark of your described kink is disrespect by one claiming to be trained but in truth in no way a master (I'm also curious as to how old he is???) Tread carefully JesseJam. I wish you health and safety, girl. Chilli xx Not only this, but it is well known among legitimate martial arts gyms that they are far outnumbered by "McDojos", or "Belt factories". There is no governing body for martial arts which means any idiot can watch a few UFC DVDs or get a yellow belt in karate and open his own Jiu Jitsu dojo as a self-promoted black belt. A legitimate BJJ blackbelt should train AT LEAST 5 hours a week for roughly ten years to get that, yet the average black belt earned it in under 2 years, often just training when they feel like it. There are literally thousands of Judo, BJJ, Jiu Jitsu, Sambo etc "black belts" in australia alone who got their black belts online or from McDojos. With the rising popularity of MMA, grappling of all sorts has become the next big thing, and countless instructors are teaching BJJ classes without experience in anything but karate or kung fu. If his dojo is legitimate, you will be able to trace the lineage, and there will be full certification all the way down the line. Wearing a tapout shirt doesnt make you an expert, it makes you a pretentious douche. It should also be noted that it is extremely rare to be choked out in training, legitimate instructors encourage students to tap out... to avoid permanant damage. Anyone who holds a choke after the tap will be disciplined for this reason. Your brain needs blood to live, and to think depriving it of blood is harmless so long as its only for a short period of time is foolish.
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RHP User
15 years ago
The question due to the comments in forum. Ok so a lot of concepts I read about in these forums are new territory for me and some I am curious about, like this topic. Your views are very strongly against it, then some of u say u like breathplay - I have no idea what that is? My guess it would be stopping someone from being able to breath? If that is correct then, breath play doesn't permit choking but someone instead covers your nose and mouth? I am totally guessing here. But in my mind I lumped it all into the same bucket so to speak?
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RHP User
15 years ago
sounds like you like to live a little on the wild side.....thats fine, its your choice. You may wish to take out a pre-planned funeral insurance, you know, just to save your loved ones the heartache of having to do it for you..... . ......even write your epitah for your tombstone, maybe something along the lines of... ...The big O ~ to die for...just something simple. Best to do it now, bit tricky to do when you are lying in a bed classified as a brain dead vegetable. It will bring some comfort to those you leave behind to have an understanding of how it all happened.. . I am not having a shot at you, you are free to choose what ever you wish to experience, I am just suggesting you have plans in place and to be 100% aware of the possible consequences of your actions. . There is nothing I like more than a good play wrestle, but I will always do my best to err on the side of caution and not dabble in potentially life threating fun.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Bungee jumping is perfectly safe, in a controlled environment under the supervision of licensed operators and there are very very few deaths under these conditions... Now I am no expert on bungee jumping, but I don't think I'd be letting a new playmate convince me to jump off a building with the assurance that "I know what I'm doing"...
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RHP User
15 years ago
I have no doubt that MT will be able to answer any questions regarding appropriate breath play...both her current professional knowledge and knowledge beyond the simplistic view that many see here are admirable and highly credible by any standard. | I would humbly suggest that breath play involves changes to the far less dangerous carbon dioxide levels and would only on a very limited basis alter the true metabolic flow of oxygen to your brain. Too, breath play is often something that can occur almost equally and perhaps more intensely in your mind...an example taken to the extreme is waterboarding. This was used in Guantanamo Bay as a form of torture and whilst you mind screams out to you that you are in fact, drowning...you are never in any clear or present danger. It is the mentally induced cruelty of this that crossed the line. | Quoting 'HotSexyChilli' I'm 100% with Midnight on this one...| I would disagree as it would be I that would be honoured to roll up to take your six on this or any other confrontation on the field of battle...even one as simple as this in cautioning those that are unskilled, rudimentary or dangerous. As you would know, those that would practise the arts in this manner would commonly hunt in packs like jackels...peripheral vision even in a trained mind is limited to 180 degrees. | My skills are far less graceful as you know...confined and perfected by the seeds sown, nurtured and grown to maturity in the soil of the killing fields. I walked away...but forever the knowledge remains. | You are correct of course, that critical or acute care first aid is not a requiem however even with my limited capacity in one...I have advanced training in the other, perhaps the chi of balance not unlike paying a debt. Oxygen deprivation to the brain, such as in the case of hypoxia or cerebral ischemia, may not leave trace or may cause death. You could also be on the ground trying to maintain life whilst a reperfusion injury is donig it's best to end one. | Those don't sound like any of the more exotic forms of foreplay that I do occassionally enjoy...and I graciously bow to your wisdom and knowledge. | | Besides, you have a great ass and the view from here is perfect.
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RHP User
15 years ago
My apologies, it appears that we were sharing the same song and caught in "the sweeps". | Curious.
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RHP User
15 years ago
i and my partner practiced and enjoyed it for over 2 yrs applying pressure only when the other is almost reaching orgasm......we liked it,not violently squeezing or crushing the throat just gentle pressure by a trusted playmate. i found it best slowly and seductively,the slower the better i say while looking deep into the eyes and press.the right spot helps too,blocking oxygen to the brain we found it delayed our orgasms for up to few minutes but when it cums.....YOU CUM !!!!!!!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
lol as i said, when we do it i hold my arm up, so he can clearly see when to stop, and i have the choice to lower my arm myself if i want him to stop.. Lol I was talking to one of my sensais at my dojo about jiujitsu when i found out they were starting it there, and told him a friend of mine choked me unconious and that it was awesome, he just laughed at me and said theyd know who to ask for demonstrations hahaha and im like 'hell yeah' and he laughingly shook his head at me and said i was a strange one
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'BoobaliciousFG' The question due to the comments in forum. Ok so a lot of concepts I read about in these forums are new territory for me and some I am curious about, like this topic. Your views are very strongly against it, then some of u say u like breathplay - I have no idea what that is? My guess it would be stopping someone from being able to breath? If that is correct then, breath play doesn't permit choking but someone instead covers your nose and mouth? I am totally guessing here. But in my mind I lumped it all into the same bucket so to speak? Breath play is where you stop your partner from taking a breath. It does not use any kind of choke hold and pressure on the windpipe or trachea should not be used either. On a basic level, the victim's nose is pinched and a hand is placed over the mouth until the victim struggles. This technique is mostly used as a means of domination. On a more advanced level, you restrain the victim well and use things like latex gags, gas masks or even simple objects like cling wrap or a plastic sheet to stop them taking a breath. At no time do you let them lose consciousness. I personally use my hands only so that I am aware at all times of the state of my submissive and can monitor them accordingly. Hope this helps.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Chuzz, your comments are very true and very wise. I too deplore the rise of the "McDojo", the black belts that can be obtained in 12 months and idiot trainers that think because they have been accorded instructor status, they know it all. A friend of mine has a 12 year old son who is being taught some very aggressive techniques. His instructors attitude is kill first and ask questions later. Now I know why it is so hard to find the "old school" instructors that give traditional instruction and where gradings and belts were truly earned.I would hope that Jessyjam would have the maturity and wisdom to take note of the comments of those people who are older, wiser and with a whole lot more knowledge about the subject than her but after reading her comment above I very much doubt it.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'HotSexyChilli' You mean to tell me I could have checked "Breath Play" as a Fetish Interest withOUT people trying to choke, strangle or suffocate me???Holding my breath til the next pearl from our resident Walking BDSM Encyclopaedia Chilli xx So much time to make up for... Sadly Chilli, not everyone uses this definition of breath play. Most people just use dangerous choke holds, press an arm across the victims neck or use tightened scarves.There is one form of breath play that I forgot to mention - face sitting!
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RHP User
15 years ago
funloving! play fighting is great bit of a slap & tickle! great part of foreplay! but rough hard core dangerous! no way! gotta be crazy! Theres a Fine line between Pleasure & pain but thats totally Insane! But if thats your Kink! You can have it! be careful Life is Precious! xxx
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RHP User
15 years ago
just get a loaded gun jessyjam and hold to your temple....it's sure to give you a rush! Mindlessly explorational at 21....dead by 30!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
just get a loaded gun jessyjam and hold to your temple....it's sure to give you a rush! Mindlessly explorational at 21....dead by 30!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
I'm listening to what people say about it, but I still find the articles and statistics i've found on it better than peoples opinions. I read in one case about a 'choking game' kids in america play.. now thats silly.. teenagers letting their friends choke them.. who have no idea what they are doing, have no idea you can crush wind pipes and trachea and etc... but have seen many fights where choke holds are applied and no damage is done. I saw another article where i think the canadian police are now using choke holds again because theyve done enogu studies to decide that it is 'relitively' safe, much safer than wacking someone with their baton or stun gunning them or etc... I've done it twice... Not exactly going to go do it constantly lol, perhaps its a phase because its something id never heard of so its new and exciting :p but I dont see the harm in doing it every blue moon with a guy thats been doing martial arts fo nearly 20 years
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'AMARLI' just get a loaded gun jessyjam and hold to your temple....it's sure to give you a rush! Mindlessly explorational at 21....dead by 30!! theres a difference between killing yourself and having a bit of fun. Isn't like I jumped in there and did it without researching a bit. In my opinion, it's safe as long as its under the right conditions and thats all there is to it lol
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RHP User
15 years ago
Nothing better than a hand around your throat as your about to come your running out of air and you start to feel light headed its a total out of body experience, I liked the idea of putting your arm so they know when to stop.
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RHP User
15 years ago
I think people's concern is largely because of the word "unconscious". Even as someone who's an (admittedly very new) student of BJJ, I was a little concerned myself. And I would like to play around with these sorts of things in a bedroom setting. In training I've not gone unconscious, I've "tapped" before that point (if I hadn't, the instructor would've stopped anyway). But I still went a bit woozy and "saw stars". I think it could still be fun to play more safely, stopping there, than at the point jessyjam describes. So if I were to do it, that would be my limit. I'm sure someone could get almost as much of a rush. Hmm, bears experimenting, I think!
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RHP User
15 years ago
JessyJam, 21 is a precious age, where u get given the ‘key’ to adulthood and have all the rights to do what YOU want, i get that. I know I was a ‘live for today’ type fearless one myself and i got through it coz ‘I was in control’ i wasn't the only one doing these things! hmmmm that is what i thought at the time anyway, or just didn’t care really as my want for trying/experiencing was too great, i wanted to do ANYTHING I WANTED TO DO, FUCK the consequences, I was strong, i could handle it (my friends and i sometimes wonder how we got thru some things now that we look back...blind luck?), we stuck it to the man, to our parents, to everyone, we felt invincible and free. But I know a lot of people that didn’t even get to 21 due to the risks they took and unfortunately it wasn’t a surprise to many in regards to the people that these things happened to... And some risks didn’t kill other friends, but bad shit happened and scarred them to the point that it affected their futures greatly... Age and experience as I have slowly learnt myself, means some people can see exactly what a younger person is walking into, everyone has experimented with things that probably weren’t the brightest of options and got thru it, but they also, like myself know others that didn’t (as individual and unique u may think u are, u will find out that u aren't so much...). Your stats may not be indicative of reality, stats are only as good as what is reported on or studied as a sample group, there is a lot that is missed! You cannot believe everything you read, as one study tends to disprove another in the stat world from one day to the next!? Jessy there are lot more awesome things to try in life, most of your ‘firsts’ are all ahead of you in regards to life experience, move on, now you've done it yeah? You took the risk, you liked it, u did it again, maybe now time to try something new, say something safer like jumping out of a plane naked? Lol :) It does pay to listen to experienced peeps, they aren't trying to ruin your fun, they are just recommending safer ways to go about it. I did think breath play/choking all the same thing, and yes i was curious to try, but now after all these comments, i'd be mad to let someone come near my neck in any way to try to stop my breath (have u seen stroke victims? a short span of oxygen loss to the brain can have pretty bad long lasting effects)! You are lucky that you have experienced it and nothing happened. I know if I want to try this, then the safe way is hands over mouth and nose, why don't you give that a whirl for something different. I know a little rebellion is hot and dangerous like, but u don't want it to fuck with your future, it isn't that important surely? Or do you like the idea of live fast die young and leave a good looking corpse? Most dead people shit their pants and stink, nothing pretty there... I am just saying? With the Emo’s of today romanising death and with cult Vamps shows/movies being hot, unfortunately the reality is not that, it is just great fiction! OK OK i know i went on a lecturing campaign (fuck i feel old and boring right now...), but one last try huh? I totally thought trying it was hot!! But now NOT...
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RHP User
15 years ago
Jessyjam you should read and re-read what Boobalicious has written. She is right, we aren't trying to spoil your fun, merely keep you safe. Rebel all you like, throw your tantrums or whatever but Boobalicious and others have spoken some very wise words. Will you be mature enough to take their advice? Probably not.If you feel that you need this in your life then that is your business. What you do in private I suggest you keep private. If you fail to regain consciousness one day will your parents and friends still keep things private or will your funeral make the headlines?And finally...This is not a safe activity. Please don't go around telling everyone that it is safe. How would you feel if someone did it because you said it was ok and they ended up dead because they had a medical problem they didn't know about? Would you have remorse or would it be not your problem?
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RHP User
15 years ago
To be honest, I wouldnt tell anyone else to do it... I've told people i've done it, and that it was awesome, but i also said to them that theres no way i'd do it with anyone who wasnt trained in jiujitsu or another martial arts that uses these chokes frequently... But quite frankly.. it's addicting... I get bored, i'm an adreniline junky... Yet I still wouldnt do anything that I would consider life threatening.. such as taking drugs... but I don't consider this quite life threatening, sure it can be dangerous if you put yourself in the wrong hands, but I did acrobatic gymnastics.. sort of like what cheerleaders do except way harder stunts without the silly cheering lol... and that stuff is WAY more dangerous than this... Being thrown through the air, risking breaking your neck if your partner didnt catch you... So if you start saying wel this could have the slightest possibilty of killing me, well i wouldnt do anything... id never drink alaocohl.. that could kill me, id never do gymnastics.. that could kill me.. id never drive.. that could kill me... oh heck i could discover some random allergy i have and die or get uber bad food poisening and die too so i better not eat anything! Lol But when you think about it, its safer than alot of things people do daily. Driving for instance... a few weeks ago some bozo drove into the back of my car, got bad whiplash and my neck killed for days... yet guy chokes me unconcious and the only symptom is wicked energy buzz... So.. I get that alot of you probably dont like the idea of it, but I probably will do it again.. a couple more times.. or til i get bored of it... or find something else new to satisfy my cravings for new and exciting... lol
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RHP User
15 years ago
I love the rough play. But it has to be done with someone that is in control of themselves before they control you. I play choked my ex and she orgasmically loved it. But I *NEVER*, repeat *NEVER* put my hand on her wind pipe. Its extremely dangerous. choking isn't really about choking, its about submission. When that person trusts you so so much they literally put their lives in your hands. This guy was a professional and was in control, but it can so easily go wrong. Trust before lust i say.M
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